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Rockets and the Globe II with Special Guest Gravity

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I want to preface this post with an observation.  The Copernicans have had 500 years to develop their helio-centric model.  It is composed of mountainous volumes of sophisticated language and formulas based on a premise.  If you don’t understand the language it is difficult to argue with.  So Biblical-earthers are at a slight disadvantage in terms of debate but things are rapidly changing.  It is much similar to the creation-evolution debate in that it took a little while for Creation Science to catch up on all the so-called evidence of evolution.  Now, it is obvious that evolution is absurd.  That’s because the premise has been debunked and that makes all of their so-called evidence nonsense. 

As a case study, let’s take gravity.  I submit that gravity only makes sense if you accept the notion that the earth is a spinning ball floating in a vacuum with an atmosphere being kept securely around it.  In other words, gravity had to be thought up in order to explain why the atmosphere (and everything else) doesn’t get sucked out into the unbelievably powerful vacuum of space.  Remember, nature abhors a vacuum.   The earth, we are told, has just the right amount of size and density to exert the gravitational force necessary to hold everything to it including the molecules of the atmosphere.  Somehow mass and density create the magical power called gravity.

There are all kinds of human agencies that have been built and organized to validate the premise.  These agencies and organizations include NASA and other nation’s ‘space programs’.  Billions of dollars are being poured into these organizations.  The general public sees rockets being shot into the air.  Ergo, space exists and the earth is spinning through it.  

The number of people that recognize the Biblical earth model as the truth is growing at break-neck speed.  The first ever international conference was held in North Carolina this past November and tickets sold out quickly.  You can find video of the speakers on youtube or flatearthbible.com.   It is an awakening unlike no other in history.  The passage that comes to mind is Luke 8:17:

“For nothing is hidden that shall not become evident, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.”

I believe that we are living in a time where God is exposing and revealing as never before.  I find it not coincidental that, as the spread of the notion of intelligent life in outer space is accelerating in the mainstream, right alongside of it is the realization by millions that the earth has no curve and the sun and moon move in circuits above the plane.   These millions are recognizing that what the Bible says is true of creation, namely that the earth is a flat plane with a transparent or translucent hard dome firmament over it, and all of it is fixed and immovable except the stars within the firmament.   The earth is it, there is no space.  There is the earth, the firmament and the 3rd heaven above it.   This is Biblical cosmology.

We who are recognizing this may not have the grasp of the math equations that support a ball earth theory but we do have common sense and we do have eyes to see.  In this venue I have no desire to try and argue each issue within the scope of the grand debate.  It would take too long.  But there is an argument for each issue such as satellites, all the people in on the hoax, ships going ‘below the horizon’, alleged photos of the earth from space, etc., etc., etc.  There is much evidence to refute all of the helio-centric claims and each person must do the research for themselves.  And here is the thing – you have to be genuinely open to receive truth, whatever the truth is.  It’s a lot like the Gospel of salvation.  If you don’t want to see it, you won’t.

If you accept the spinning globe earth premise, then gravity and all of the equations and formulas make sense. 

I was presented with additional information about how the spinning earth provides momentum to a rocket leaving earth’s atmosphere in the spinning earth model.  To wit:  it is the atmosphere of the earth that provides the ‘push’.  The atmosphere, in this conjecture, is moving in sync with the spin of the earth and at some point when the rocket leaves the atmosphere it is shot out by the 1000 mph atmospheric force (which is how fast the earth is supposed to be spinning on an axis) into space.

So, according to more ‘intelligent sources’ and ‘experts’, we are supposed to believe that the atmosphere is moving at 1000 mph hand in hand with the spinning land below.  This happens because of the mysterious force of gravity.  This gravity not only keeps the atmosphere from being sucked out into the incredibly powerful vacuum of space (which does not exist), it also keeps it locked in synch with the motion of the earth.  Let’s examine this idea. 

The atmosphere moves west to east with the motion of the spinning earth, we are told.  And it moves in perfect synchrony with the earth, so much so we can’t tell that we are moving.   I have no idea how to calculate it but there must be an enormous amount of centrifugal force being exerted that could send everything flying if it were not for the miraculous gravity.   So not only is there the vacuum of space pulling at the atmosphere, there is centrifugal force also pulling on everything on the surface of the earth and above, due to the spin.   Centripetal force is the ‘equal and opposite force’ of centrifugal that keeps an object or substance spinning in a circle with the center of the spinning object.

The atmosphere must experience both forces under the spinning earth theory.  If you were to take a hand blender and stick it in some soup, you would notice the soup closest to the blender blades would be moving faster in the direction of the blades than soup farther from the center of the blade.  The farther away from the vortex, the slower the soup would be moving in a circle.  The same characteristics would be expected with the atmosphere circling with the motion of the earth.  It would not be in perfect synch from inside-out with regard to the atmosphere.  But it would be moving with constant speed inside-out.  The farthest reach of the atmosphere would be traveling much slower than near the earth. 

Now, consider also that the farther out you go from earth, the thinner the air becomes.  So not only is the air going much slower than the spin of the earth, there is less and less of it.  Yet, we are to accept that a rocket gets so much more thrust and boost from being propelled by the speed of the atmosphere!

It just doesn’t bear up under logical scrutiny.

Consider, too, that weather moves generally from west to east.  How is this possible with the earth spinning west to east – the same direction?  Think about this for a few minutes!!  Weather would actually be moving against the atmosphere and faster than the motion of the earth!

The whole idea that we are spinning at 1000 mph and the atmosphere with it, yet we can not feel or sense this, is ludicrous on it’s face.  

It is fascinating what cognitive dissonance can do to a mind.  You really have to suspend logic and common sense to accept this stuff from NASA.  Sometimes all you have to do is a little thinking.  See my other posts under Bible Cosmology.

Dan Baker

Rockets and the Spinning Globe

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NASA says that rockets are launched eastward with the spin of the earth in order for the rocket to get a boost from the spin.  In other words, they say that the spin of the earth gives the launched vehicle greater momentum and thrust into space.    This allows the rocket to save fuel, they say.  You can see the NASA explanation at this link.

Then why would that not apply to jets and planes?  NASA says the spin affects the velocity and momentum of the rocket as it flies through the atmosphere and into space.  Therefore the spin should have the same affect with planes and jets as they take off. 

For example, if a plane takes off at the equator from east to west, the spin of the earth being against the take off, the plane would have the opposite experience.  The plane would have an earth spinning 1000 MPH (approx.) against it.  That would mean that the plane that takes off at 250 mph would have a net speed of 1250 mph at take-off.  Then, when it reaches cruising speed at say 500 mph, it’s speed would be a net 1500 mph over the surface of the earth.   This means that a plane traveling from east to west, against the spin, would be able to travel 3000 miles in 2 hours (New York to Los Angeles). 

If it travels the opposite direction at a maximum speed of 500 mph, it would not reach New York (pretending New York and LA are on the equator) until the earth rotated one full rotation and New York actually came from behind the plane below on it’s axis.   The speed of the rotating earth would be twice that of the plane.

NASA can’t have it’s physics work two different ways.

Either the spin of the earth is negative with regard to launched and flying vehicles or it is positive.  If it affects the launch of the rocket then it must also affect the launch and flight of planes and jets as they travel the skies. 

The problem is that a plane that leaves St. Louis for Kansas City will arrive the same time as a plane traveling from Kansas City to St. Louis if they fly at the same speed.  That is not possible, according to NASA, on a spinning globe earth.   But it is on a Biblical earth.

Dan Baker

A Simple Little Moon Test

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“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”               – Mark Twain

We are told that the moon is 2,159 miles in diameter and that it is 238,900 miles from earth.  That is a ratio of 1 to 110. 

Go on google earth pro and find Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City.  The stadium is 800 feet long.  Multiply 800 feet by 110 and you get 88,000 feet.  Go up 88,000 feet over Arrowhead Stadium. 

Guess what, you can’t see it!  It’s a speck.  You can barely make out the parking lot.  The stadium is a dot, yet the moon is immense in the sky by comparison.  How is that possible?  It’s not – if you believe the math.  If the math was correct the moon would look like just another tiny twinkling star. 

And please don’t try to tell me that the atmosphere somehow magnifies it. The atmosphere would have to look and work like a magnifying lens as shown in the picture below.   But it doesn’t. The atmosphere would be just the opposite as a lens if we were living on a ball.

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If we’re being told to believe this silliness, what else are they telling us to believe?

See also my other posts under ‘Bible Cosmology’. 

Dan Baker

More About Water

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“In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the heaven were opened.”  Gen. 7:11

Before reading this post, you should read my previous posts “Was Moses Dumb and Did God Lie?”, and also “What’s in the Water?”.

I read an article yesterday by Joseph Farah, the editor of WND.  You can find it here.  The article talks about how scientists believe that the earth makes it’s own water deep beneath the mantle, giving validation to the Genesis flood and in particular the floodwaters that erupted from the earth. 

It’s a fascinating article with very important implications, not only with regard to the Genesis narrative, but also for potential benefit for mankind.  But that is not the focus of this post.  I want to comment on the last part of Gen. 7:11 – the floodgates of heaven.  Is this metaphorical or literal? 

I pointed out in my previous posts mentioned above that the ancient Hebrew believed that there was a solid dome firmament over the earth and above that firmament was the throne of God in the ‘waters above’.  I have no doubt that they also believed that Moses literally meant that God opened the firmament and water blasted through to the earth along with the water that exploded from the deep. 

The Hebrew word in Genesis 7:11 is ‘arrubah’ and it means window, lattice, sluice or floodgate.  Secular science says that it is metaphorical because a literal translation does not jive with the Copernican Helios-centric concept.  It’s interesting that if this same science now implies that the first part of the verse is literal – that there is unimagined amounts of water beneath the mantle that could have added to the Great Flood, yet it dismisses the ‘window of heaven’ as a whimsical way of describing a huge thunderstorm that lasted for 40 days. 

Also, the word for heaven in this verse is ‘shamayim’, which is the same word used in Gen. 1:8 for heaven as God named the expanse, or firmament.  Most would like to translate this word in 7:11 as sky, but there is no basis to do that other than to make it fit the Helios-centric viewpoint. 

In the creation narrative the only ‘heaven’ to be used as singular is the firmament or expanse.  The other times in the creation narrative the NASB uses heavens as plural but gives no indication that sky is included.  In Genesis, ‘shamayim’ is only singular when describing the firmament or where God resides (the 3rd heaven).    

Jacob saw a gate in the firmament when the angels were ascending and descending the ladder.  He said it was THE gate of heaven (Gen. 28:17). The word here is ‘sha’ar’, which means entrance, as to a palace.  In this verse it makes sense as the main entrance because Jacob said it was the house of God and the gate was the entrance to His house.   This spot where Jacob’s head rested became the location of the Holy of Holies in Solomon’s Temple.  This indicates there are different openings (windows and entrance) through the firmament.

Moses was literal when he said water erupted from the deep.  Why would he not be literal when he says God opened the firmament and dumped water from the third heaven?

Dan Baker

Was Moses Dumb and Did God Lie?

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Moses was raised in Pharaoh’s family as a son.  He would have received the best education in the most powerful kingdom of the world.  The ancient Egyptians were a highly advanced society fluent in mathematics and engineering.  Acts 7:22 says Moses was “educated in all the learning of the Egyptians, and he was a man of power in words and deeds”.

Moses was chosen by God to lead the Israelites out of Egypt and into the promised land.  God counted on him to organize over two million people after defying Ramses and He entrusted Moses to disseminate and administer His Holy Law. 

The Torah, or first 5 books of the Old Testament, was written by Moses.  The Bible says that God’s Law was dictated through angels to Moses, the mediator (Gal. 3:19).  Parallel with that truth, ancient Hebrews believed that God revealed the creation history in Genesis directly to him, as well.

So the question is, with regard to Genesis Chapter 1, did the angels tell Moses a phony childish story because he and the rest of the Israelites were too simple-minded and unsophisticated to understand a heliocentric cosmology? 

Got your Bible out?  Follow along.  Look at what Genesis teaches:

Vs. 1 – God created the heavens (plural) and the earth.  A general statement, no chronology intended.

Vs. 2 – Earth, before it was technically called earth, was just a ‘blob’ of water, if you will.

Vs. 3-5 – God created light.  This was light BEFORE the sun, moon and stars were created.  End of Day 1.

6-8 – God then created the firmament (expanse) to separate the waters. This firmament, or dome, is ‘raqiya’ in Hebrew which means a ‘solid extended surface’. This firmament made a separation of the water ‘blob’.  The ancient Hebrew understood this dome or vault as solid and that is what Scripture says (Job 37:18).  It is a structure. 

God called this expanse or firmament heaven and David said in Psalm 19:1 this structure – the expanse (same word ‘raqiya’) – this work of His hands – is His glory!  So this heaven was created after the water blob.  This heaven is the solid expanse that separates the waters from above it (Psalm 148:4) and the waters below it.

I refer to ‘this heaven’ because there are 3 in Scripture.  Remember when Paul said he went up into the 3rd heaven (2 Cor. 12:2)?  There is the heaven that God lives in (Psalm 104:3; Psalm 148:4; also see my post ‘What’s in the Water?’) , the heaven of the expanse or firmament, and the heaven where the birds fly and clouds form (Matthew 6:26 – the word ‘air’ is literally heaven).  Paul went up to the 3rd heaven where God is.  Day 2.

9-10.  God then gathered the waters below, or the formless earth, into one place and made dry land materialize.   He called the dry land earth.  So technically, earth was not earth yet in verse 2.

11-13.  God created vegetation and it sprouted.  Still NO SUN yet the vegetation was growing!  Day 3

14-19.  God created the lights and put them IN the firmament heaven. Verse 14 is differentiating the firmament heaven from the other heavens.  In other words He created the sun, moon and stars (16) and put them inside the solid expanse (17).  The sun and moon are their own light source (‘two great lights’).  The moon is not a reflection of the sun.  The lights are INSIDE the firmament or dome.  If the lights were under the firmament, it would have said under or below as God said the ‘waters below’ in vs. 9.  Since the sun and moon are inside the firmament heaven, what we see must be some sort of projection.  End of day 4.

20-23.   God created all the creatures that live in the waters.  Day 5

24-31.  God created all the animals and man.  Day 6

The Israelites could understand God’s highly technical Law, but they couldn’t understand the solar system.

The ancient Hebrew believed that the earth does not move, it’s stationary (Psalm 93:1) with a solid dome or firmament over it and God’s throne is on top of the firmament in the waters above (Psalm 104:3).   The sun and moon follow their own circuits (Psalm 19:5-6), and they are moving but the earth is stationary.  This is what the Bible teaches and this is what they believed. 

Modern day Christianity tries to find ways to reconcile the Bible with the solar system model but fails.  So we say that the Old Testament writers wrote their narratives in quaint, superstitious, poetic ways because they didn’t have modern technology and knowledge of astronomy and astrophysics.

But they had Yahweh, the Creator Himself! 

So, if God gave Moses this information through angels, then God must have assumed that Moses and the rest of the Israelites were too dumb to understand the heliocentric model and the angels lied for God.  Therefore,  God must have lied because the angels would have only spoken what they were given.

But Yahweh cannot lie and Moses was extremely intelligent.

Dan Baker

What’s in the Water?

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1 John 5:6-8  “6. This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not in water only, but in the water and in the blood.  7. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.  8. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”

Before I get into this, I want to state that I quoted the New American Standard that has ‘in’ in the margin as the literal translation for the 2nd and 3rd segment of verse 6 (“not IN water only” as opposed to “not BY water only”).

This is a fascinating passage and the commentaries are varied in their interpretations.  So hang in there and do your best to follow me as I put forth some things to consider that I have not found to be suggested as yet.

Most commentaries say that the water is referring to Christ’s baptism.  One commentary by someone named Wetstein said it is referring to Christ’s manhood meaning that he “he had all the properties of a human being–a spirit or soul, blood, and the watery humours of the body”.  I strongly believe it goes far deeper than baptism or the human body.

What is curious about this is that John says that Jesus did not come in water ONLY.  I wonder why he said it that way.  In other words, it seems John recognizes that someone would easily accept that the Messiah Son of God might come in water only.  John is emphatic that he came in water AND blood.  I think Wetstein is getting warm.  But why water only?

Here’s what I’m thinking about…

First, let’s look at where Yahweh lives and where Yeshuah came from.  Gen. 1:6 says “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 

Psalm 104:3 says that He “lays the beams of His chambers in the waters”.  In the same psalm it says in verse 13, “He waters the mountains from His chambers”.

Psalm 148:4 says, ‘Praise Him, heaven of heavens and the waters that are above the heavens”.

Amos 9:6 says “The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens, and has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, the Lord is His name.” 

God dwells above the firmament above the earth in waters.  That seems clear from Scripture.  I realize that Amos is not describing the waters above the firmament, I included it because it goes along with the verse that says His chambers are there.  And God is spirit (John 4:24). 

Ok, He’s spirit, what’s that got to do with it?  Well, maybe everything.  Again, I’m just exploring this, I haven’t formed any conclusions.   Let’s bring in another verse to consider.  Stay with me.

Luke 11:24 says, “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’”

What this verse seems to indicate is that these spirits (granted they are unclean or demons) must find habitation made up of water.  Remember when Jesus exorcised a man of the demon Legion (Luke 8:27-33)?  That demon begged to be sent into a herd of pigs rather than the abyss. 

The abyss is the lowest part of the earth where evil spirits are imprisoned and there is no water (1 Peter 3:18, Jude 6).  It wanted to be in a living creature.  All life is water based.  We are 70% water.

Now, these were unclean spirits but spirits nonetheless.   See where I’m going?

Now I want to bring in the Book of Enoch.  This book is credible reliable spiritual history.  The reason I can say that is because the Bible quotes it.  That means God affirms it.  I’m not saying it’s Scripture, but I believe at minimum it is as close as you can get.

In Enoch 22: 9-13 it says this: “9. At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgment, saying, Why is one separated from another? He answered, Three separations have been made between the spirits of the dead, and thus have the spirits of the righteous been separated. 10. Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it.  11. And in the same way likewise are sinners separated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgment not overtaking them in their lifetime.  12. Here their souls are separated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgment, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, whose souls are punished and bound there for ever.  13. And thus has it been from the beginning of the world. Thus has there existed a separation between the souls of those who utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners.”

What Enoch is saying is there are 3 things that separate the unsaved from the saved who are dead (that was pre-cross; now the saved go straight to heaven).  There is a chasm, water and light above the water.  (As an aside, Enoch also affirms the destruction of the lost) 

Remember the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-26)?  It says the rich man asked if Lazarus could dip his finger in the water and put it on the rich man’s tongue.   Abraham said there was a chasm that may not be crossed.  Both passages describe the chasm and water.  Jesus is actually affirming Enoch in his telling of this story.

Getting back to Jesus and 1 John 5:6, what I’m wondering is if John understood that God’s dwelling is in the waters as Spirit.  Please do not understand me to be saying that God MUST reside in water, it may just be that He chooses to.  We too are spirit and reside in water, just as the unclean spirits seek watery residence.  They have no rest without water.  It seems that our spirit must, as well.

Was John saying that Jesus did not come in just water – as he understood God to reside in – but he also came in blood as a man?  I think it could very well be the case.

To be continued…

Dan Baker